Why I think John is "False Prophet"

JD: I think that Kevin is reading the passage right.  John's description does not have Jesus claiming to be a permanent member of the family of God.  

John is not here, celebrating Jesus' wisdom.   John is accusing Jesus of claiming to be the Son of Sin.  

I think you've misread John's gospel, Robert, like so many other Christians, who are not able to read the text without spinning a strong "positive interpretation" on the words.  

You are all too good of people to realize what it really says in John's gospel.

That's totally forgivable, in my opinion... When viewed in the context of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus actually does show the way, the truth, the light.  (But "showing" and "being" are two different things.)

It's just that when you take away the "goodness" of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and just read John's gospel on its own, it tells a very different story.

RP:  and you would be incorrect...but you are entitled to believe what you want...I will stick the the 4 decades of study and teaching this for the way I have learned it to be...

JD:  The only thing I'd have to add is that for 2000 years, Christians have said that Jesus was the Son of God, AND the Messiah.  For 2000 years Jews have not accepted this.  I think the reason for this may be that the Messiah was never meant to be the Son of God.  In fact, if "the messiah" claimed to be God or another God, he was to be put to death.  

Another thing is that when I look around googling the internet about Islam, and their understanding of Christianity, there is quite often a comment like "We understand Christianity through his disciples, and we might as well use John, Jesus' most beloved disciple, to understand Jesus."

Well, in my reading of John 8:12-59, at least, Jesus Christ did not put on a good face... Instead he compelled people with a desire to throw stones at him.  Those stones might not affect Jesus, and they might not affect you.  But the testimony that John maintained sort of defines what Christianity is to the world.

So when I hear of Christians being slain in Rwanda, or Syria, I think of Revelations 6:9-11

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

So for your forty years of study and teaching, you or your colleagues will be slain, and buried in a white robe for the testimony you maintain until the full number of your fellow servants, your brothers and sisters, are killed.

Unfortunately, this gives quite a bit of credence, in my opinion to Islamic prophecy.  Because Christians, and Muslims believe the same thing.  That there will be a great holy war, and Christians will lose, horribly.  So you have to decide whether believing in John is worth it--whether you are ready for the "full number of your fellow servants, your brothers and sisters, to be killed."  

So I'm entitled to my beliefs... My belief is that John's prophesy is false.  The full number of your fellow servants don't have to be killed.  Your belief is that John's prophesy is true... The full number of your fellow servants do have to be killed.  Maybe you're right, but I do not want to take any part in that bloodbath.